I think it’s fair to say Dufty has some decent attributes but probably isn’t showing them regularly enough. When there’s a talent like Thewlis who’s come through the academy, and looks the real deal, whose preferred position is full back it’s easy to see why there’s a clamour to get him in there, so signing a proven quality winger (oh I don’t know, like Charnley maybe?) would make sense.

I don’t have a problem with pairing Williams with a half back who can just do the simple things really well, move the ball quickly and accurately with a kicking game that gets us in the right places on the pitch, a foil for a halfback partner with more flair and creativity. On paper that’s what Drinkwater should provide, in reality, like Dufty I don’t think we’re seeing his talent translate into performances on the pitch. Again with Dean and Hayes you’d really like to see them given an opportunity to see if they’ve got the talent to make it.

With Dudson, I’m not as apposed to him as many seem on here, but, I don’t think he makes the 18 when we’re at full strength, and that being the case, when we do need cover I think we’d all rather it be a prospect getting experience as apposed to a diminishing journeyman. I thought Thomas went well early on in the season when he had a bit of game time, ran hard and didn’t take a backward step…

I’d have no issue if Mautautia brought forward his retirement a few months, no issues at all…

 2 year deal and likely more money than we have offered. Thing is if we are going to struggle to attract anyone there as to be a case of looking at the deal again. We can’t afford to lose him with no decent replacement available. But if he does go fair play to him.

Never an easy decision. 35 next year ... so 2 year deal is risky. Don't really think it shows much about us really.

And your not wrong but right now who is available that would be a good replacement plus if we go to 14 teams next season it gets even tougher to find players.

How old is Ratchford? 

We are discussing 2 year deal for a front line prop. Might be fine but always a risk. I'm sure a one year deal is would be safest bet but you can't always get what you want.