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| Interesting that Bradford’s appeal has been put back to 2nd June the Day after Wakefield match! The table could look a whole lot different if Bulls win and are given the 6 points back, I feel sorry for Bradford but if they win the appeal it we make the whole disciplinary process for club entering administration a complete and utter farce! Lets not forget 2011 - Crusaders - Administration - 4 points, 2011 - Wakefield - Administration - 4 points
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| We have to trust that the RFL will make the decision based on the rules... Bradford must have a strong case otherwise it wouldn't of been pushed back.
I just can't look past the decision being made on the on field results leading up to it.
Rugby league tends to like hitting the headlines for the wrong reasons.
Surely it would be better for Bradford to know sooner rather than later... So they can plan for the future and get some decent players willing to play in the lower league.
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| Quote djws61="djws61"... I feel sorry for Bradford but if they win the appeal it we make the whole disciplinary process for club entering administration a complete and utter farce! ...'"
The direct opposite is the case, it is precisely because the system IS such a farce that we are where we are.
It would help if people didn't keep trotting out the phrase about mythical sanctions "for a club going into administration" when we know 100% that the decision (in the case of brand new ownership) is directly based NOT simply on the mere fact of an insolvency event, but critically on the new owner's proposals for dealing with the failed company's creditors, and it was exactly and publicly that basis on which the Bulls decision was made and announced by the RFL.
If in real life there was a clear and certain penalty simply "for going into administration" then we wouldn't be here, now would we? So can we put this myth to bed at last?
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| It would not be fair if Bradford got any of their points back what is to stop other clubs doing it get into trouble go bust 6 points then some one takes them over and then appeal like Bradford,get the points back no way and I like Bradford and wish them luck feel sorry for their fans
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| Quote cravenpark1="cravenpark1"....what is to stop other clubs doing it get into trouble go bust 6 points then some one takes them over ...'"
Nothing! If you are right, feel free! We are having absolutely great fun at Bradford following our "doing it", it's been a right barrel of laughs, and as every fan knows, as a result of "doing it" we have now made ourselves the strongest force in world rugby. The only morsel for other clubs is that your club can do it too. So crack on. Why wouldn't you?
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| Quote Ferocious Aardvark="Ferocious Aardvark"The direct opposite is the case, it is precisely because the system IS such a farce that we are where we are.
It would help if people didn't keep trotting out the phrase about mythical sanctions "for a club going into administration" when we know 100% that the decision (in the case of brand new ownership) is directly based NOT simply on the mere fact of an insolvency event, but critically on the new owner's proposals for dealing with the failed company's creditors, and it was exactly and publicly that basis on which the Bulls decision was made and announced by the RFL.
If in real life there was a clear and certain penalty simply "for going into administration" then we wouldn't be here, now would we? So can we put this myth to bed at last?'"
Rubbish. The current system is not a farce. I agree with cravenpark1
There is a standard points deduction penalty for a Club going into Administration of three wins (ie 6 points deduction in SL and 9 points deduction in the Championships).
The RFL may commute some or all of the points deduction sanction depending on how the Club comes out of Administration. It depends on the extent to which (if at all) the old creditors are paid off as a result of the way in which the Club comes out of Administration.
In the cases of Crusaders and Wakefield in the past, a proportion of old creditors were paid off resulting in the RFL announcing a reduced sanction of 4 points deduction.
In the case of Bradford, the most recent 6 point deduction was announced when it became clear to the RFL how much of the old creditors were to be paid off following the Administrator agreeing to sell the Club to new owners.
Those proposed new owners then walked away. So Bradford now has a different new owner. Hence the current appeal. As part of that appeal, the RFL wil be assessing the extent to which (if at all) the old creditors were paid off as a result of how (and for how much) the Administrator sold the Club to the (new) new owner.
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| Quote Wooden Stand="Wooden Stand"Rubbish. The current system is not a farce. I agree with cravenpark1
There is a standard points deduction penalty for a Club going into Administration of three wins (ie 6 points deduction in SL and 9 points deduction in the Championships).
The RFL may commute some or all of the points deduction sanction depending on how the Club comes out of Administration. It depends on the extent to which (if at all) the old creditors are paid off as a result of the way in which the Club comes out of Administration.
In the cases of Crusaders and Wakefield in the past, a proportion of old creditors were paid off resulting in the RFL announcing a reduced sanction of 4 points deduction.
In the case of Bradford, the most recent 6 point deduction was announced when it became clear to the RFL how much of the old creditors were to be paid off following the Administrator agreeing to sell the Club to new owners.
Those proposed new owners then walked away. So Bradford now has a different new owner. Hence the current appeal. As part of that appeal, the RFL wil be assessing the extent to which (if at all) the old creditors were paid off as a result of how (and for how much) the Administrator sold the Club to the (new) new owner.'"
That's just inaccurate nonsense. However you already know that because you have already been told.
When you can't get a detail as basic as who is conducting the appeal right, you shouldn't bother
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| Total joke., should have been sorted already!
seems the RFL are just waiting to see how many wins bradford can get before deciding how many points to give them back!
the only reason they have appealed is because of the relegation coming into force... previous clubs werent bothered to get the points deducted
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| Pretty sure the appeal is heard by an independent panel not the RFL, it should have been sorted at the start of the season.
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| Personally I can't wait, it's all I can think about really.
On the other hand we are all going a bit mental over on the Saints board so we will have something to distract us for the next few weeks until the real stuff kicks off.
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| It feels like we've all gone back in time with the Ardvark and Smokey ready to defend the Bradford club against the rest of the RL world.
The one certainty is that the constant delays in ratifying the 6 point deduction don't help Bradford, or the other SL clubs and our game will be mocked again from the outside and from within.
It's been a painful few months, not least for the supporters of the Bulls and those who's livelihoods are dependant on the club and the saga does seem, once again, to be prolonged further than ought to be necessary.
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| If Salford are still on 9 points come the 2nd of June and Bradford get all 6 points back it'll be interesting to hear what Kouca$h has to say...
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